Did the Knights Templars form Switzerland? Answers to self proclaimed historian Sean Hross

It’s time to call out Sean Hross and his weird theories he’s spreading and hating the Swiss people all over the internet.

Thesis: http://blog.templarhistory.com/2010/03/did-the-templars-form-switzerland/


First answer.

Wow. I’m not a historian, so, happy to be corrected, but my instinct on this one is to call bullshit. Very loudly.

  1. Yes, their decline was roughly, plus or minus a few decades around the time Switzerland formed. Honestly, that doesn’t mean much.
  2. Switzerland is East of France? WEll, at the time, East of France was the Empire. Why Switzerland, especially? It’s just one part of the Empire
  3. Mysterious tales of white knights? First of all, sources? I’ve certainly never heard any. Also, why mysterious? Wouldn’t people recognize them?
  4. Sure, they were big on banking. You know who wasn’t? THe early Swiss. Early Switzerland was poor. It took centuries for Switzerland to become a banking country.
  5. We don’t know our history? Yeah, no. I mean, sure, there are parts we don’t know in detail. That’s history. There’s a few national myths, like Wilhelm Tell. Everyone has those. But most of it is known.
  6. The templar cross is on the flags of the Swiss cantons? Yeah, no. THese are the flags of the original three cantons:
You’ll notice one of these has a cross. It’s not a templar cross, which looks like this:
Quite distinct. You know who else likes crosses? All Christians. This particular cross is all over the HRE. Look at the flags of the other first cantons, none have a cross. Acht Alte Orte – Wikipedia
And you know who uses keys as their emblem? The pope. Also, those keys haev been on the flag of Unterwalden only since the 17th century, before that, it was just red and white. Lambs, once again a common Christian symbol. Also, not on any Cantonal flag.
7. Religious tolerance? Pfff. They were crusading knights. They went on the Reconquista. No, they weren’t. Some of the cities of Switzerland were a bit more tolerant to the Reformation than other parts of the Empire, sure, but we even had our own internal religious wars.

Second Answer.

Agreeing with the other answers here, I would have made similar points, just one more:

Switzerland was formed over centuries, the modern state called Switzerland was founded in 1848.
As a rather progressive state, since the revolutionary, reformed powers won against the Catholics. So then it should have ended. After centuries of having stayed in the hidden? And he even tells us: Go to Switzerland and ask the people there. Well, I’m from Switzerland and NOBODY has ever had such an idea, no farmer, no historian. It’s an lazy argument: Because you can’t check on it, I’m right. Or all Swiss are lying and then there’s only the base of “everything is a lie and only I know the truth”. It’s a bit like saying “There are green people with black eyes and blue dots living on Uranus, they developed a social democracy with federal states and they mate underwater.” – “Can you prove it?” – “No, but can you counter proof it? And if yes, then your proof is a lie.”
Oh and everybody was into farming in the medieval period because that’s how you got food.

Third Answer.

The reference given is pure bullshit – a historian who starts by saying “read my book” is to be listened to only with precaution.

Then Switzerland was founded by mountain farmers communities who wanted to :
  • Help each other against arsonists
  • Control the northern reaches of the Gotthard Pass
  • Not create a country!
And the legend about white knights mysteriously helping is… not even amusing.
Lastly because I stopped there: banking. Yes, the Templars were rich and were bankers to France. But Switzerland became a banking heavyweight in the interwar period only, 600 years later!
So: no.


Next question:

Is it true that modern Switzerland has roots of Knights Templar who escaped from 1307 arrests?

Ian Griffiths

It is very unlikely. The original Swiss confederation in the 13th century was made up of people from difficult to access mountain valleys within the Holy Roman Empire. They had a status that made them directly accountable to the emperor but were threatened by Habsburg “expansionism” within the empire. Their objective was to protect themselves against the Habsburg but also to ensure the peaceful management of the important trade routes through the Alps.

Although these regions are easy to access today both by train and by car, it doesn’t require much imagination to realise just how wild the place must have been before tunnels and bridges were built to make the Gotthard pass more accessible:

Even then it was rather scary in the best of weathers:

It is only round the nineteenth and twentieth centuries that it was made secure. Today the region is a paradise for hikers. So long as the weather is good!

It was a region inhabited by mountain farmers who made some money providing shelter to the merchants crossing the Alps with their wares.

Switzerland grew progressively over the centuries to become the country that we know today. It was to take hundreds of years before it became a rich country. In fact that happened in the last hundred to a hundred and fifty years with the rise of tourism, banking and the service industries that are the basis of the modern economy.

To earn money many Swiss worked as mercenaries in foreign armies including the Pope’s. This probably made them a well trained force with experience of real fighting. They would also have known the ground well and the very remoteness and wildness of the region would have made them a tough proposition to conquer!

There is no historical evidence of any Templar influence in the early history of Switzerland and no particular reason for them to want to go to a small region withing the Holy Roman Empire which had neither fortune, nor particular interest at the time.

Next question.

Are Swiss the Templar Knights?

First answer.

No. The Templars were suppressed as an Order throughout Latin Christendom in 1312. Surviving brethren were farmed out to other orders, usually the Hospitallers. In Portugal, the brethren were formed into a new order, the Order of Christ.

There is no evidence that fugitive Templars fled either to Scotland or to Switzerland. Most likely, this story is a distorted retelling of a virulently antisemitic tract from the 19th century, “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion,” that claimed the world was being controlled by Jewish bankers. It would probably be best to avoid such theories.

Second answer.

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Banking secrecy only exists since 1934.

The pontifical Swiss guard was a result of a deal between the Pope and the confederacy to protect each other during the Italian Wars with the Habsburgs in the 16th century.
Switzerland’s trend towards neutrality was a result of losing the Battle of Marignano in 1515, after which it was smarter to just stay out and stop entering conflicts.
Since the Knights Templar were active from the 12th to 14th centuries, it’s unlikely that there is a link as such.
Switzerland was not founded by French-speaking cantons, and our History since has been one of immigration and culture-mingling that has little to do with a secret mountain tribe.


Why does Switzerland have the Knights Templar cross as their flag?

First answer.

Thanks for asking me Ross.

As pointed out already, the Swiss flag has a white Greek Cross on a red background. The Knights Templar had a Red Cross Pattee on a white background as their combat emblem. The International Committee of the Red Cross uses a red cross on a white background, but this is a Greek cross and was chosen as an inversion of the Swiss flag and not for any association with the Knights Templar.
The Knights Templar also used a double cross (shown below) – especially in England & Scotland.
My home town, Leeds, has connections to the Knights Templar – include a property called Temple Newsham and a a pub called the Packhorse, which claims to be the city’s oldest pub (current one since 1615) Building has a Templar cross on the outside:
This is nothing like the Swiss flag (but they do serve a decent pint).

Second answer.

Are you kidding me? Are you blind sighted?

  1. The Swiss cross is white, the KT cross is red,
  2. The Swiss cross is rectangular, the KT cross is shaped.

Third answer.

Actually, this is the Templar cross:

And this is the Swiss flag:

The flag of Switzerland has been in use since the formation of the Old Swiss Confederacy in the Medieval Period and was used as identification in battle. It has no ties whatsoever to the Knights’ Templar, and if you take a second look bears no resemblance to their design.

Fourth answer.

The white cross on a red background symbolizes Christianity and represents neutrality, democracy, peace and protection. Nothing to do with Knights Templar as it is quite different.

Actually didn’t know that but google just told me and well, makes sense 🙂

Next question.

Where did the Knights Templar go to besides Switzerland and Scotland?

First answer.

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Templars fled to Portugal, and became the Knights of Christ/ Order of Christ, from whose ranks Prince Henry the Navigator and Vasco De Gama came. They also fled to Spain and were allowed to continue by the orders of Calatrava and Montesa.

But, the Templar wealth went to Scotland for safe keeping it is said (though, this may have been a ‘diversion), though the Portuguese Templars and King Denis were placed ‘in charge’ of the wealth. The main connection was between the Scot Sinclairs and their French brethren the St. Clairs. There is plenty of evidence of the shipments and part of that ‘wealth’ was a large number of documents and information relating to bloodlines, family relationships and monarch history of Judea. THIS was the big threat to the vatican and roman catholic narrative of ‘Christianity’.
When it became known that philip and the pope were in collusion, (the Templars had exemplary intelligence operations, operations that grew out of Mason connections as eyes and ears on catholic church cathedral work sites, nobleman fortifications, movements of goods and peoples etc) arrangements were made to transport all the wealth and treasures of the French Templars out of France to the Orkney Islands off Scotland, owned by the Sinclairs, via the Templar fleet.
King Edward is on record complaining that the Templars were providing the Scots funding to make weapons purchases through neutral Ireland and it was indeed fortunate for the Bruce that Edward died on his way to Scotland, allowing a substantial ‘building period’ with French Templar finances for arms and provisions.
The Bruce had made a seemingly ‘remarkable’ recovery from his devasting defeat at Methuen…thanks to Templar money from France. At Bannockburn, many things besides Scottish Independence were decided. The Templars were given Scottish lands and disguised by being members of masons guilds. They descended into two orders, one under the Bruce, as Grand Master, known as the hidden Royal Order of Scotland and the second being the Order of Heredom, which was presided over and protected by the Sinclairs.
Thousands of French Templars made Scotland their home, in 1338 over 500 properties were registered in Scotland as ‘terrae Templariae’ and they were employed in the extensive tunnel and vault building that went on prior to the construction of Roslin. The tunnels were the hiding place of the great Templar wealth…until the ample fleet of the Sinclairs would be employed to move it.
The English Templars became known as The Knights of St John of Jerusalem.

Second answer.

As already answered the Knights Hospitaler were a common destination for former Templars. The Hospitaler were also endowed with much of the Templars lands and properties.

It was only in France and Italy that the Templars were actively persecuted. In other countries they were merely disbanded with their properties forfeited to the Crown.
In England ex-Templars were supposed to join non-military religious orders, which were endowed with former Templar properties to pay for their upkeep. As many of the English Templars were middle aged or older they were happy to pensioned off. Some of the younger and more active Templars preferred to join the Teutonic Knights in Germany. Participation in the Baltic Crusades was already popular among English knights, who could no longer make their reputation, or pay penance, in the Holy Land, so the English Templars knew they would be welcome.
In Spain and Portugal the Templars essentially rebranded. They surrendered their castles to their kings and formally disbanded. In Portugal the king used the former Templar properties to found a new military order, and in Spain the properties were endowed to a number of existing, smaller, military orders. The former Portuguese and Spanish Templars then joined these local orders, which also accepted foreign Templars seeking refuge.

Third answer.

Most Templars remained in their country of origin and joined other orders — particularly the Hospitallers for fighting men but other orders for the lay brothers. Some Templars certainly went to Spain, Portugal and Cyprus — countries where they had been found innocent by the local authorities — to continue the struggle against the Saracens.

The notion of a Templar “treasure” that was transported anywhere is legend. Most of the Templar wealth was in land, fortresses, horses, weapons etc. The seizure of Templar headquarters in Paris meant that much of the mobile wealth of the French Templars was taken by the French King in the initial action. In other countries where the Order was found innocent there was no need to hide their resources until the dissolution of the Order, at which point it was transferred to the Hospitallers or other Orders.


What is the link between the Knights Templar and Freemasonry?

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Originally Answered: What is the link between the knights templar and freemasonary?
To claim any such link would be presumptuous. A look into their histories might explain.

The Knights Templar

They grew in influence and wealth, fierce fighters, now numbering thousands. At the height of their power, they owned Cyrus, had their own fleet, and were rich enough to be moneylenders to monarchs.

Jerusalem fell to the Muslims in the late twelfth century. Soon the popularity of the Knights Templar waned and they shrank from a European presence to one limited to Paris. The Catholic Church and Pope Clement V turned against them, so too King Philip IV of France. Under accusations of heresy, desecrating the cross, homosexuality and financial fraud, they were hunted and many burned at the stake. The last Grandmaster Jacques de Molay too was tortured and burnt in 1307.  The complete disbandment of the order is supposed to have taken place at this time.

Some people believe that the order went underground, and operated secretly. 

The freemasons

Any relation between the supposed underground Knights Templar and the Freemasons would be conjecture. There is no evidence to support such a claim.

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Yes. Absolutely. The relationship between Freemasonry and the Knights Templar goes waaaaaaay back.
Freemasons built many of the Knights Templar commanderies, knights halls, churches, abbeys, preceptories and castles. In France, the Knights Templar were major financial backers for many major building projects, including the great cathedral Notre Dame de Paris, which was constructed under the direction and particiaption of operative Freemasons. Wherever Knights Templars built or funded the building of great buildings, Freemasons were heavily involved; from the Middle East, through France, Italy Portugal, Spain, England, Scotland France and other European countries.
Wherever these building were constructed, the Knights Templar had holdings. Templar ‘districts’ were holdings that weren’t subject to city or country taxation (they were – technically – Church property), where the ancillary personnel for the Commandry or other Templar operations lived. Many masons lived within the Templar districts, and by the 1200s, both group began profiting from each other’s expertise. Both groups simultaneously created labor unions, Masons (through historic documents) joined the Templars and worked on Templar and church buildings. Templars needed buildings for banks, churches and other buildings, and Masons … well, they were builders. Built by Masons, financed by Templars.
After the Knights Templar were arrested, their buildings certainly didn’t disappear. Neither did the districts where many Freemasons and Templars lived. This same held true in England, Scotland, Ireland, Spain and other nations throughout Europe. Masons & Templars living in the same communities, doing much the same work (especially after the collapse of the popularity of running Crusades in the Holy Land).
This included building Roslin Castle (not to be confused with Rosslyn Chapel), which was started in the early 1300s, after a large influx of Freemasons from France … this “large influx” happened right around the same time as the French arrest of the Templars. Henry Sinclair (who was a witness at at least one Templar trial) is linked to the Knights Templar, as is his son and the entire Sinclair clan from the 1300s.
There is plenty of paperwork and documentation to prove the intermingling of the two from the earliest founding of the Templars, through their arrest, and up through the point where Freemasonry changed from an operative fraternity to a speculative one.
As to whether the rituals and symbols are the same … it’s unlikely; the symbol of Freemasonry is the Square and Compass, the Knights Templar is the Beauceant, the Red Cross and the white mantle. The Knights Templar rituals are unique and completely different than any Masonic ritual. No Knights Templar ritual I have participated in has been related to or similar to any Masonic ritual.
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The ancient Knights Templar was actually quite awesome, and I have nothing but respect.
Some history on the Order
In setting the stage, you have to bear in mind that they come from a time where everything was sorted through war and battle, the Kings would send in their men for squabbles, and campaigns would last years. However with a slow but sure pace the general populace began emerging out of the Middle Ages, new ideas started to emerge. The idea of romanticism, where amongst Knights chivalry and valour ranked high and they became champions to the public.
The Templars existed for over 200 years and as the ranks grew to fight the Holy battles so they became a threat. More so since they had so much money they loaned money to kings to assist in war efforts. Although they started the idea of banks, rather think of them for the real inventions that gave rise to it – cryptography and thus secure travellers cheques.
Initially the protected the route accompanying pilgrims on their route to the holy land. Instead of travelling with gold, they were given a viable alternative in the form of a Cheque or Deposit slip. This would mean nothing to a thief, however would allow the traveller to withdraw funds at his destination.
The fall of the Templars
Now, one of the Kings they were loyal to, as part of the Christian Realm (mainly western Europe) was the King of France, known as Phillip the Fair. He was anything but fair, and as he owed the Templar order a vast amount of money, came up with a cunning plan). He summoned the Grand Master of the Templars, who abided. Unfortunately he was promptly arrested on charges of heresy, as was all the Templars stationed in France on that fateful Friday the 13th of October (origin of the Friday the 13th superstition).
The evil connection
The charge was that of praying to Maphomet (as recorded phonetically). This was ironically a bastardization from the name Muhammed. From the Muslim faith as encountered in the Holy Land.
This Maphomet became Baphomet in the writings of Elphias Levi, and he drew up a demonic vision of the goat headed creature you see on the internet today. This was picked up and expanded upon by Alistair Crowley, and was used in the creation of the Satanic Church, founded by Anton Levay. Ironically there is a a Satanic statue in the USA that is based on the image created by Elphias Levi.
Interesting world we live in.
How does this tie to Freemasonry?
This became even more popular in the mind of the populous when Leo Taxil shared the letters that detailed the practice of devil worship in his popular and controversial hoax to get back at the Catholic Church. Even though this was a very public and openly admitted hoax, the details an misquotes he used are still in circulation today.
It forms the meat of the arguments from the conspiracy theorists, Freemasonry so regularly have to fend off. Part and parcel of why there is an evil connotation to Freemasonry.
Back to the Templars, what happened to the rest, those not captured?
What happened to the fighting fit army, the wealth, and the biggest Armada of ships that disappeared from the port in France where they were docked until the evening before?
Part went to Malta, where the order of Malta exist to this day.
With ships, and a grudge against the Monarchy, the Templars hoisted sail and their flag was flown high. Their flag? You might know it as the Jolly Rodger – welcome to the birth of Piracy!
A considerable chunk went to Scotland though, where they did what they did best. Having been a noble order, they had ties everywhere. They blended in and continued in their nature, fought with the Scotts’ and even sponsored buildings, like the wonderful Rosslyn Chapel.
Now, comes the interesting tie-ins.
Roslyn was built on the ground of the clan Sinclair (St Clair), and low and behold – William Sinclair of Roslin became the first Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Scotland. This can be disputed, but the Sigil of the Knights Templar is found in the Chapel.
But the dates don’t match!
Some may also claim that the dates don’t match. However they fail to realise that even thought the Grand lodges was only created at the beginning of the 1700’s (the UGLE, or rather GLE was founded in 1717). Yet we have masonic documents like the Regious Poem (Halliwell MS) that was dated and re-dated, to approximately the 13 90s. There being earlier references, but no actual clear documentation.
As for the dates not matching – remember the Templars fled France in 12 October 1307.
Apologies for the long answer, but I do hope this paints a bit of a different picture.
Getting the full story and it’s tie-in’s makes a for a completely different holistic view and understanding of the order.
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There are PLENTY of ‘links’ from the basic philosophy of both organizations to the Scottish ‘overlap’ of putting French Templars back into the masons ranks, to the distinct duties of both.
The ‘links’ have been attempted to be erased by the infiltrating jesuit entities into the craft.
View my answers in Freemasonry, Templars and Illuminati to read of them. I’m tired of repeating myself on multi questions here that are basically the same.
Freemasonry goes back to ancient Egypt and the priest class of Pharaoh Thoth ( Ningishzida, who was son of Enki) who was displaced by Ra (Marduk, his brother). Some of the earliest ancient Egyptian Freemasonry rituals were found in the crata repoa CrataRepoa. The Templars arose from French Freemasonry, known as the Carbonari secret society, who descended from Akhenaten-Moses’ Brotherhood of the Sun, not the other way round. The Templars were Merovingian descendant nobility families from the Israelite tribe of Benjamin Tribe of Benjamin – Wikipedia. The Benjamites were ‘second in command’ to Pharaoh Akhenaten-Moses and as such fulfilled the role of the spiritual advisor/high priest ( lord chancellor, if you will) ‘green man’ Green Man – Wikipedia or anubis Anubis – Wikipedia.
The ‘green man’ from Rosslyn Chapel (marking Sinclair Clan Sinclair – Wikipedia as the Scot Templar ‘advisor high priest’ to the Scottish King, the role identified as ‘Lord Chancellor’ with the English monarchs) fellow Templar Oliver Cromwell ordered General Monck George Monck, 1st Duke of Albemarle – Wikipedia out of Rosslyn ( he had stabled horses there) and prevented any further desecration to the chapel, though he (Cromwell) destroyed many other ‘Scottish’ churches.
The secret society Carbonari was the pinnacle of French Freemasonry, high initiate nobility Freemasonry and it aligned itself with the Merovingian dynasty Merovingian dynasty – Wikipedia nobility network across Europe.

Originally Answered: What is the link between the knights templar and freemasonary?
There seems to be a tenuous connection. I don’t know it’s significance.
DeMolay International, AKA The Order of DeMolay.
DeMolay derives its name from Jacques de Molay, the last Grand Master of theKnights Templar
Here is the connection:
With the sponsorship of a Masonic body, a DeMolay chapter often meets in a Lodge room or, if not in a Lodge room, in some other appropriate room within the same building. Although not a “Masonic organization” as such, DeMolay is considered to be part of the general “family” of Masonic and associated organizations, along with other youth groups such as Job’s Daughters and Rainbow. As with Rainbow, a family connection to Masonry is not a prerequisite for membership into DeMolay.
The Wikipedia article, linked above, contains a lot of warnings about lack of references or research citations. I cannot comment one way or the other on its reliability. To repeat, the article is claiming that an organization with Masonic connections is named after the last Grand Master of the Knights Templar.
I have a personal anecdote to relate that might be of no significance. When I was a kid in the US state of Georgia, I was approached by two older kids for recruitment into DeMolay. They asked if I was Catholic and I said I was baptised as such, and they said, sorry you can’t be a member of DeMolay. That was that.When I asked my dad about this, he said Masonics didn’t much care for Catholics. I left it at that, because the whole religious/tribal business was to me a complete loser proposition. I was Catholic only by baptism, and did not identify with the label.That memory was revived when I read the question I’m now answering. The Wikipedia article on the Order of DeMolay is the first information I’ve encountered that links the Masonic Order through DeMolay to the Knights Templar. The connection is tenuous because the timeframes are so much apart, 1314 for de Molay being burned at the stake by a Catholic French king, and 1918 for the founding of the DeMolay Order in Kansas City MO.I leave to others the establishment of some deeper link, if there is any.
Originally Answered: What is the link between the knights templar and freemasonary?
From a pure historical point of view, there is no link between the Knights Templar and freemasonery. Not only are there several centuries between the demise of the Templars (except in e.g. Portugal where they continued as the Ordem Militar de Cristo/ Order of Christ, but that’s another story), and the freemasons, but also the background is different. The real history of the beginnings of freemasonary (in England, Scotland and Ireland mainly) is actually unknown. Several histories were invented, histories that even Dan Brown could not have come up with. Anyway, freemasons relate their rituals to presumed rites of the old guilds (at that time abolished in England) and not in any way to the Templars.
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Originally Answered: What is the link between the knights templar and freemasonary?
There is a rich mythology about the Knights Templar, the Freemasons, and connections between them. It all makes wonderful storytelling, with mystery, suspense, action and adventure baked together, and just a soupcon of actual historical names and events to make it all seem more real.

Consequently, books and movies and TV “documentaries” abound; and they never lack for audiences. I eat that stuff up myself. “The DaVinci Code,” “National Treasure” — Bring it on! I’ll pay for two hours of colorful fantasy.

But that doesn’t mean I believe it. I’m skeptical about secrets and conspiracies in general because I’ve studied history. I’ve never seen much evidence that humans are smart enough — or self-disciplined enough — to carry out long-running, complicated plots. 

I’m skeptical about the Templar/Masons tales in particular because bona-fide experts say there is no credible historical evidence to substantiate the legends. What hints exist can be explained more efficiently and believably by ordinary human nature and well-documented events.

Personally, I have not devoted serious study to this subject, so I cannot do the kind of footnoted debunking that it deserves. I know just enough to confidently assert that there is some good professional history out there that will tell you all about the real history of the Templars and/or the Masons AND elucidate the flaws in the mythical claims.

(CAVEAT: If I’m proven wrong and someone finds a cave filled with ancient gold, texts from the Library of Alexandria, the Ark of the Covenant, and blueprints for a flying saucer — all guarded by a demented 700-year-old Templar — why, no one will be more delighted than me. But I’m not holding my breath.)

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Yes in Masonic Orders ONLY. Not all knights Templars are Free Masons.
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Originally Answered: What is the link between the knights templar and freemasonary?

There is no connection.  The Knights Templar were put out of business in the 13 th century.   The Freemasons became prominent in the 18 th century. 

I  know the  Conspiracy Theories love to tie them together  just as they love to assert that the Knights Templar  have buried the Ark of the Covenant and the Holy Grail  somewhere in Texas or Arizona.  

But they are Wrong.   The whole thing is the doings of Ancient Aliens and both the Ark of the Covenant and the Holy Grail are in Warehouse 18.

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Originally Answered: What is the link between the knights templar and freemasonary?
Well it is said that the ideas brought back from the crusades fed what was a proto freemason organization. The Masons themselves trace their organization to the middle ages, when Masons made their own guild. Hence the triangle and the compass for their sigil. Before the crusades there was very little cultural contact with the muslim east. Afterwards, the masons had ideas of Allah to add to their mix. 
It would probably be wrong to trace the Masons to just the 18th century, since there was a group called the Illuminati that was proto masonic. They existed in tje renaissance.
Were all templars masons? No. Could their ideas and experiences have influenced them? Definitely.
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Originally Answered: What is the link between the knights templar and freemasonary?
Thanks for the a2a!

In my teens I was fascinated by the Templars and I remember reading some very interesting crypto-historical books that linked the Templars and the Free-Masons.

If I remember correctly, the theory is that after the Templars’s fall in France, some members of the order went underground and reorganized themselves in secret societies that would later bear the name Free-Masons. 

That’s really all I can remember now, but I do believe such ideas arose because both groups were rather secretive and exerted some political influence at one point or another. The Templars and other Crusaders  are also sometimes credited for the emergence of Gothic Architecture, apparently established after the return of the European knights from the Middle-East.

Hope this helped!

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Originally Answered: What is the link between the knights templar and freemasonary?
Wholly imaginary.  The initial claim was to the Knights Hospitaller, who however had survived as the “Sovereign Military Order of Malta” and could deny it.

I’d put the supposed quote from Nathan Rothschild at a level with the Abraham Lincoln quote that you can’t trust eveything you read on the internet Nathan Rothschild, 1st Baron Rothschild was no more than middle-ranking.  And I think that “Money supply” is a much more modern concept.  In his day, the link was to gold.

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